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    Ex-CIA Andrew Bustamante seems unfamiliar with Farrakhan, then gets into Trump vs. CIA, Edward Snowden, COVID origins, Rick Ross and the gray areas of intelligence. Ex-CIA officer Andrew Bustamante sits down with Loon for a conversation that gets strange fast when Bustamante seems unfamiliar with Farrakhan — a figure whose history was significant enough to collide with U.S. sanctions policy, Libya, and public federal records. In the transcript, that moment becomes one of the biggest tension points before the conversation opens into much bigger territory. Farrakhan’s public historical context matters here because the U.S. government blocked a promised Libyan gift tied to him and the Nation of Islam in the 1990s, and Farrakhan-related material is visible in public FBI records. From there, the episode expands into Trump vs. CIA, Edward Snowden, mass surveillance, COVID origins, Rick Ross / crack-era allegations, 9/11-era intelligence failures, and the moral gray areas inside intelligence work. Bustamante also goes into why the CIA struggled with Trump, why he thinks Snowden had the right intention but the wrong method, and how he views conspiracy, religion, terrorism, and privacy in the AI era. This is bigger than one odd answer. It turns into a conversation about what intelligence agencies know, what they claim not to know, and how power, secrecy, politics and public distrust collide. Bustamante’s current Discovery visibility and the still-live COVID-origin debate give this episode extra discovery value beyond just the interview itself. Topics include: Bustamante’s Farrakhan moment and why it raises eyebrows Trump vs. CIA and why intelligence clashed with outsider power Edward Snowden, privacy, convenience and surveillance COVID origins and the lab-leak debate Rick Ross, crack-era allegations and CIA “moral flexibility” religion, extremism and how intelligence frames threats 9/11, Boston bombing and how cases get built the rise of private intelligence and government overreach 0:00 - CIA vs. FBI: Who Handles What 2:21 - The Farrakhan Question 4:46 - Why Bustamante’s Farrakhan Answer Stands Out 7:18 - Farrakhan, Gaddafi and Libya Sanctions 10:29 - Trump vs. CIA 13:18 - Why Bustamante Says Trump Changed Intelligence 15:57 - The Rise of Private Intelligence 18:41 - Was the 2020 Election Stolen? 21:32 - Politics as Entertainment 24:27 - Edward Snowden and the Privacy Debate 27:56 - Security vs. Convenience 31:06 - AI, Threat Detection and Government Overreach 34:02 - COVID Origins and the Lab-Leak Debate 37:11 - How Bustamante Thinks Germ Warfare Would Really Work 40:24 - Rick Ross, Crack-Era Allegations and CIA Moral Flexibility 43:38 - Religion, Extremism and How Intelligence Separates the Two 46:52 - 9/11, Institutional Failure and the Post-2001 CIA Shift 50:14 - Boston Bombing and How Intelligence Cases Get Built 53:31 - Conspiracy vs. Incompetence 56:42 - Why These Conversations Matter in Culture #AndrewBustamante #Farrakhan #DonaldTrump #EdwardSnowden #CIA #COVIDOrigins #RickRoss #MassSurveillance #ItsUpTherePodcast #Loon Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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